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please

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stand let's pray Almighty God we pledge

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ourselves to work in harmony for the

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social cultural and economic well-being

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of our rural city help us to be wise in

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our deliberations and fair in our

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actions so that prosperity and

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happiness Amen   Amen acknowledgement of

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country the Horsham Rural City Council

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acknowledges the five traditional owner

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groups of this land the Wotjobaluk, Jaadwa,

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Jadawadjali, Wergaia, Jupagulk People 

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we recognize the important and ongoing

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place that all Indigenous People hold in

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our community we pay our respects to the

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Elders both past and present and commit

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to working together in a spirit of

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mutual understanding and respect for the

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benefit of the broader community and

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future generations please be seated

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a warm welcome to everybody councils

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staff members many members of the

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gallery our media and my name is

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councelor Ian Ross Mayor of Horsham Rural

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City Council and advised that 

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tonight's council meeting will be

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recorded to maintain a video archive

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thank you also tonight a special warm

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welcome to Gail and his CEO and a first

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meeting

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thank you and also Luke Mitten as acting

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 infrastructure director it's his

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first meeting too so welcome to

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Luke

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apologies there's been no apologies

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tonight we move on next genra which

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is five leave of absence is anyone

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requesting a leave of

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absence there being no request of leave

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of absence we will move on to six

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confirmation of the

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minutes the minutes of the council

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meeting held at 5:30 p.m on Monday the

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29th of April 2025

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council do I have a motion

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councilor Mc Donald

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moved that the minutes emanating from

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the council meeting of the Horsham

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Rural City Council held in the council

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chambers Civic Center Horsham at 5:30pm

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 on the 28th of April 2025 be adopted

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do I have a seconder thanks Councelor

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Klowss all those in favor raise your

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hand please thank you

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carried seven is conflicts of interest i

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think we do have a few tonight so I'll

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ask perhaps to go over the table from

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right around if councilors could declare

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their conflicts of interest please

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 I've got one on

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9.2 and it'll be number three thanks

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Brian and the nature of the conflict 

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just a general general thank you  and

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is also at 9.2 a general conflict in

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number four four thank you

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Council Mc Donald 

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9.2.4  it's a general conflict

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i am a member of the Horsham Historical

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Society thanks Council McDonald i don't

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have any councelor Sluggett  mine's in

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also in item 9.2 conflict of interest

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for the lot in group six  it's a

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general conflict of interest thank you

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and councelor the same too  item 9.2

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 general material conflict of interest

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 five I think it is five thank you and

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I have no conflict to declare thank

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you we now move on to public question

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time but I'll start with a statement if

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I may on behalf of city council and it's

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relation to the emergency services and

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volunteer

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fund given we have a number of CFA

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volunteers in the gallery who have

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questions about the emergency service

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and volunteer fund and council's

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collection of this levy I would like to

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take the opportunity before we get into

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the public questions to address

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council's position on this

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issue i want to once again reinforce our

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council's position to the state

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government's emergency services and

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volunteer fund that's a mouthful if we

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echoing what we are hearing right across

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our municipality this new levy will have

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a devastating impact on our

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community autumn's rate payers are

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facing a one of the highest increases in

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the state with a projected 3.26 million

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uplift in ley charges a rise of more

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than 84%

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this is a significant burden

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particularly for our rural residents and

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primary producers who are already under

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immense pressure from rising costs and

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ongoing economic

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challenges our community is hurting not

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just because of the scale of the

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increase but because of the way it has

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been

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imposed councils have not been 

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adequately consulted and it is

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unacceptable that local government is

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being forced to act as a tax collector

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for the state we are being asked to take

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on administrative role load the

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reporting responsibilities and the debt

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recovery risks with no fair

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compensation that is why Horshan Rural

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City Council is standing

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shoulder-to-shoulder with neighboring

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councils to call for urgent

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reform together we are calling on

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Victorian government to oppose councils

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being used as a le collectors on behalf

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of the state

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shift responsibility for collecting the

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principal place of residence components

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to the state revenue

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office fully reimburse councils for the

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administrative and financial cost of

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collection and

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enforcement ensure transparency open

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communication and consultation moving

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forward and most importantly deliver a

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levy that is fair equitable and does not

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unfairly burden rural and farming

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communities

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we will continue to advocate loudly on

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behalf of our community until these

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concerns are properly

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addressed myself and our interim CEO met

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the Minister for Local Government and

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the Minister for Agriculture last

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week to advocate for changes to the levy

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we intend to continue this

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advocacy with our fellow councils we're

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also seeking meetings with the premier

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HRCC is currently exploring options in

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relation to the collection of the levy

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given that provisions of fire services

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levy sorry fire services property levy

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act 2012 will be incorporated into the

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legislation and therefore council will

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still be considered a collection

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agency further information will be

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provided to community as council's

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advocacy

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progresses this is not just a question

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of fairness it's a matter of respect for

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rural Victorians and the role local

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government plays in supporting them

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thank

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you we now move to eight public question

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time  this time is allocated the start

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of the meeting before the formal agenda

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by council questions must be submitted

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in writing to council by 10:00 a.m on

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the day of the council meeting and we

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have quite a few tonight so we'll start

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with question one who is from Robin Gle

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of Lombardong question

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one mining and exploration in our

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municipality is not new these companies

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have been active in our municipality for

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decades it is noted that since the 24th

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of March council meeting Council Wilson

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has removed himself from mining

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discussions and decisions after

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declaring a conflict of interest due to

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family discussions with the mining

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company considering the number of

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long-term exploration retention and

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mining license across our municipality

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and for complete transparency please

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inform a community if prior to their

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election to council any councils or

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their immediate family members have had

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personal dealings with any mining or

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exploration company through ownership of

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farmland that is or has ever been

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covered by one of these

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licenses community reference group

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participation legal action involvement

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or for any other reason if so please

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advise the community of the company name

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timeline of the contact and the nature

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of those interactions the responses from

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Miss Hargreaves director of corporate

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services thank you thank you Mr Mayor

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and thank you for your question the

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definition of conflict of interest

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changed under the Local Government Act

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2020 with section 130 of the act

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requiring that councils disclose

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conflicts of interest in the manner

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outlined in the council's governance

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rules and exclude themselves from the

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decision-making process in relation to

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that matter further information on

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councelor's responsibility in disclosing

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a conflict of interest for matters being

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considered at a council meeting are

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outlined in chapter 5 of the HRCC

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governance rules as outlined by the

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local government inspectorate it is a

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personal judgment and decision to

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disclose a conflict of interest

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councilors must identify their own

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conflicts of interest and exclude

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themselves from the decision-making

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process when required to do so in

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accordance with the act

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thanks M here

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the next question is from Russell Sleep

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of Horsham question one why are the

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water catchment dams located in Arthur

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Drive and Duny Street Horsham not required

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to have secure fencing response from

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Luke Bin active director for

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infrastructure thanks thank you and

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thank you Russell for the question 

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fencing around storm water retention

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basins is not required as these basins

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are typically designed with gentle

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slopes often 1 in 64 or flatter this

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significantly reduces the risk of an

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adverse event i.e drowning um as a

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gradual slope allows people and animals

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to walk out easily if they enter the

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basin basins are typically dry most of

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the time and only hold water temporarily

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during and immediately after a heavy

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rain

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question two has a council ever

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considered the construction of a

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domestic traffic bridge from Bennett

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Road across the Wimmera River to

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Ballinger Street response again is from

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Mr Luke Mitten thank you yeah thank you

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 for the question  the need for a

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second traffic bridge across Wimmera 

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River has been identified in a variety

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of long-term strategic plans the Bennett

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Road location has been suggested as a

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potential location for a traffic bridge

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however there are no plans for

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construction of a sec second bridge

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across the Wimmera River at this stage

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thank you Mr Minton next question is

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from Mr Neville McIntyre of Mackenzie

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Creek question one i was pleased to see

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Horsham counselors at the fire services

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rally last Tuesday they would witness

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firsthand the anger and frustration the

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CFA and farmers showed for this new tax

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in the press release I assume that

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farmers in this new drought declared

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area will be exempt from the new

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emergency levy part and only pay for the

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fire levy as per last year but that is

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only for this year next year will be a

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full tax with no benefit for Horsham

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this tax will take another 4 to 6 million

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out of the Horsham already struggling

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economy other councils realize that this

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tax has no benefit for their rate payers

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and have now declared that they won't be

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only collecting existing fire leaving

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not the emerging services component will

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the horse and real city council join in

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with other councils and refuse to

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collect this unfair tax responses from

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Mr Kim

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Hargreaves director of corporate source

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services thank you Kim thank you Mr

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Mayor thank you Neville for the question

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HRCC is currently exploring options in

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relation to the collection of the

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Emergency Services and Volunteer Fund

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given the provisions of the Fire

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Services Property Levy Act 2012 will be

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incorporated into the new legislation

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and therefore council will still be

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considered a collection agency further

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information will be provided to the

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community as council's advocacy

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progresses and I'll refer back to the

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Mayor's statement at the beginning of

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the evening about there'll be more

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information to follow thank you

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thanks Mr hard Greaves the next question

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is from Penny Flint of Horsham question

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one horses rural city council has a

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policy C4 back slash 110 indulgement of

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country one of the most significant days

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of the Australian Cabler Anzac Day would

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the Mayor please explain why he called

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upon why when called upon by the MC of

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the horse and dawn service at Sawya Park

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and acknowledgement of country was not

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delivered any responses from myself

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this situation was simply the

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unfortunate result of miscommunication

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about who would be delivering the

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acknowledgement of country my speech

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therefore didn't incorporate the

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acknowledgement and  I was and wasn't

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on the running sheet either so when I

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got up to speak I went to the MC and

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asked I've got a speech but I haven't

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got the country and he said go with what

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you've got so I did but since then our

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good staff have printed off and covered

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the do country so it goes in my notebook

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all the time

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next question is from Donna Johns of

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Drum question one the planning minister

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signed to kill Kenny recently stated

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that the planning scheme amendment for

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whim resource processing plant for the

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radioactive material at Dan has not been

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submitted for her to for her review this

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is despite the review for the proposed

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mining license currently being conducted

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by resources Victoria

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will HRCC be consulted on this and will

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a community cons consultation be

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required responses from Mr o'brien

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director of committee in place thanks Mr

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o'brien

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thanks Donna for your question  the

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council has yet to submit the planning

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scheme amendment for formal

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consideration under the Planning

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Environment Act 1987 this would occur if

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mining license is approved further

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consultation occurs with HRC and the

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community will be by the planning

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minister noting that in HRCC's recent

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mining license submission that HRC

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objects to windbase area being located

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outside the licensed area in the

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development and operation of the wind

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basin area will be subject to regulation

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under a planning scheme through a

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special control overlay with HRC being

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the responsible authority hrcc is is

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strongly of the view that the swimbased

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area should be included in the mining

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license area so that the same regulatory

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frameworks are applied and reiterates

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its view that the state government

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should be the regulatory authority for

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all mining activity there is no

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legislative empowerment for a council to

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have a regatory oversight of radiation

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thank you Mr o'brien now move on the

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agenda to nine officers reports reports

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for council decision 9.1 is a quarter 3

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performance report to March

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2025 the purpose of this report is to

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present council with a third quarter

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performance report to 31st of March

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2025 miss Hargreaves is there anything

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is there a summary of the report

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required no Mr Mayor thank you do I have

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a motion council

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council Laughler thank you

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 that council receive and note the 

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third quarter quarterly performance

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report to 31st of March 2025

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thank you do I have a second please

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councelor M thank

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you council Lin do you wish to speak the

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motion council

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M to speak against the motion on that

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basis I'll put the motion all those in

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favor please raise your hand thank you

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that's

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carried 9.2 is community grants for 2025

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and 2026 now we'll have a bit of musical

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chairs here happy with with all the

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conflicts but we will work through it

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the purpose of this report is to provide

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council with community grants proposed

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for inclusion in the 2025 26 budget for

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approval mr hargreaves is there any

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summary of report required any further

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council do I have a motion the motion's

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broken up I think into about seven parts

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I think so we'll start we'll go through

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one by one if we can so we'll start with

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um

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9.2.1 so do we have a resolution there

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please thanks Council McMc Donald 

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council allocate

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$231,684 in the 2526 budget for approved

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community grants and donations across

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the following categories community

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development grants

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137,684 community events grants 37 thou

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73,000 rather youth grants 10,000 urgent

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needs small grants 11,000

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thanks Council McMc Donald do I have a

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second the motion please councelor

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Wilson thank you do you wish to speak

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councelor Mc Donald to

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motion councelor

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Wilson i'll take the prerogative as

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chair to speak if I may these are one of

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the joys I think of being a counselor in

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that we can these grants are given to

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help out a community and volunteers just

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to help on the road to doing a great job

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they do for our community so that's

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that's why we do them and it's a

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pleasure to do these does anyone wish to

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speak

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against on that basis put the motion all

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those in favor please thank you carried

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now we move on to the next is point

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9.22 which there's no conflicts here so

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we're all in the room would someone to

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move that

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please councelor M thank you

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[Music]

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i um I would like to move just say the

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following list rather than read the to

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the following list in um 9.2

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um

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point.2 should be

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approved

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for passing this meeting thank you

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sorry I've lost lost a second sorry

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thank you second council claus seconded

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council man do you wish to speak no I

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think it's all self-explanatory there's

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good stuff and great groups small groups

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a diverse

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um selection of groups that were able to

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do this councelor Claus no I've got

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nothing more to add daniel wish to speak

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to the resolution thanks Councelor Saget

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yes please um and and this goes for all

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the following i figure I'll bundle them

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all in together rather than speak each

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time our community is full of people who

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give their time blood sweat and tears to

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various services events facilities and

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sports many of the grants listed here

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are for facility upgrades maintenance um

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community benefit programs and equipment

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to allow these groups to better carry on

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providing large community benefit i

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congratulate each group that is

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successful in receiving the community

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grant and thank each person involved in

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each group for your cont contribution to

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our community i hope for everyone anyone

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sitting at home with some spare time

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this list may also act as incentive to

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check some of these groups out and

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consider joining as a volunteer thanks

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councelor Sluggett does anyone wish to

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speak against the motion anyone wish to

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speak for the motion i'll put the vote

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in all those in favor please raise your

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hand thank you and now move to three and

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we note that councelor Klaus is leaving

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the

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room could someone please say move

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thanks councelor Sluggett i'll move for

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item oh it's the section number three um

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the list need to be approved for the

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following

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grant applications um as listed

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in graph three yeah 9.2.2.3

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thanks councelor Sluggett i second it

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please council

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McMc Donald councelor Sluggett you wish to

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speak

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as I said earlier thank you thank you

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council

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McMc Donald put us straight to the vote i

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think all those in favor thank you

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carried

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back in yes please

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[Music]

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and item four is

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[Music]

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Yes thanks

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for for the record council man McMc Donald

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have left the room could I have a

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resolution

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[Music]

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please thanks Dean

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so move as is the last wording is that

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it for

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approve the following community grant

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allocation

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for item four of 9.2 too thank you a

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second council

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slug wish to speak to the

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motion i'll put it straight to the vote

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i think is it for time all those in

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favor please raise your hand thank you

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carried if we could get the two return

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please

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[Music]

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[Music]

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so five is is yourself is it council i

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think on that yeah so for the record

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council has left the

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room council's got a resolution please

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council the move thanks councelor Claus

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that um we approve the following

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community grant allocation to the Haven

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Tennis Club and the Wimmera  Alley um

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lane

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thank you second

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please councilman none thank you i'll

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put a strike the vote too all those in

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favor thank you

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carried thank you councelor Sluggett

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[Music]

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for the record council

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as we turn the room and councelor

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Sluggett has left the

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room have a resolution please on on six

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I think it is yes on six

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yes i I'll go with councelor Wilson

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i move that council approve the

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following community grants in item 9.2.6

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thank you a seconder council

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Klowss any wish to speak against the

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motion i'll put the motion then all

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those in favor please raise your hand

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thank you that's

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carried so someone could retrieve

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council sugan thank you

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yes

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and if someone could please move 

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seven point seven

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yes you can yes just

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um I was just in the appendix 9.3B 

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the engagement plan for this report page

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10 lists stakeholders um the counselors

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as AP rating one for inform Um I

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realized that this document had been um

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created prior to our appointment or our

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elect um us being elected but I was

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hoping that we might be able to increase

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that are we able to increase that at

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this stage to at least I'd like I'd love

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a collaborator i'll settle for a um

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involve if I may is that possible sorry

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I think you might be on the wrong side

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audience you still haven't finished your

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dance for the community grants apologize

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profusely that's okay so we'll go back

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to point seven thank you

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Counc advise all successful un

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successful community development grant

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applications of the outcome of their

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applications by the end of May

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2025 council do I have a resolution

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there for that please thank you

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councelor Lachland a

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second councelor

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Mun would you wish to speak to the

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motion

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councelor anyone wish to speak against i

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put to the vote all those in favor

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please raise your hand thank you now for

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those who are out of the room when the

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resolutions were moved for the record

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evidence been approved

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so thank you

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um we now move to 9.3 Horsche Municipal

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Community Facility Strategy 2025 to

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2035 the purpose of this report is to

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present the Horseshoe Municipal

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Community Facility Strategy 2025 2025 to

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the

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council mr o'brien is there a summary of

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report required

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notice summary required thanks Mr

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o'brien council do I have a motion

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sorry sorry can I just I'll just drop my

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coat off for a second i'll stand for a

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minute

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yes sl the floor yeah sorry so through

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you Mr chair if I may um pennies 9.3B

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the engagement plan for this was

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developed prior to us being on council

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um page 10 of that report has um

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councilors that are AP one informed i'm

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wondering if it's possible um for us to

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be upgraded to a minimum

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um involved please i guess we can try

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and work out now or we defer and bring

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it back but the time frames Kevin thank

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you  you Mr Mayor um certainly we've

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had a had a discussion about the the

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actual engagement plan it would be more

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appropriate that um it would be at the

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collaborate level so we're happy to make

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that change um before it comes back to

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council for um considering adoption post

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the public committee feedback period i

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take that on that feedback

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thank you so councelor do I have a res a

00:27:23.120 --> 00:27:26.120
motion please

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sorry oh sorry cucket

00:27:34.520 --> 00:27:37.520
 with that in mind I'll move that

00:27:37.760 --> 00:27:40.015
council approve the draft  Horian

00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.039
Municipal Community Facility Strategy um

00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:46.559
25 2025 to 2035 appendix

00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.736
9.3A to be released for the public

00:27:49.760 --> 00:27:52.296
engagement for a period of 4 weeks thank

00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:54.056
you do I have a second council thanks

00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:55.535
councel

00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.559
m to speak to the yes motion thank you

00:27:59.679 --> 00:28:02.679
councelor Saga

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.039
um this document is one that I would

00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.375
definitely encourage the community to

00:28:08.399 --> 00:28:11.399
read through it may have a big impact on

00:28:11.520 --> 00:28:13.416
some groups and how they're able to

00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.135
utilize um the facilities that they are

00:28:16.159 --> 00:28:18.375
at the moment and it's for groups

00:28:18.399 --> 00:28:21.056
looking for facilities too

00:28:21.080 --> 00:28:24.080
um that there's facilities available or

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.616
not available for you to use and how and

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.416
 this document will set how they

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.056
treated by council moving forward

00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:35.015
um as a council we have quite a few

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.039
facilities and an ever stretching budget

00:28:38.320 --> 00:28:40.456
and this document will hopefully help us

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:43.096
manage that into the future so it's one

00:28:43.120 --> 00:28:44.856
that for the community I'd strongly

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.880
advise them to be involved and um get in

00:28:48.159 --> 00:28:50.216
contact and keep an eye on what

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.535
engagement's happening thanks Councelor

00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.856
Slug councelor mind to second do you

00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.576
wish to speak

00:28:57.600 --> 00:28:59.096
no

00:28:59.120 --> 00:29:01.936
thank you is anyone opposed to the

00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.375
motion does anyone else wish to speak to

00:29:04.399 --> 00:29:07.399
the

00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.416
motion that being the case do you want

00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.655
to write a reply

00:29:11.679 --> 00:29:12.936
thank you all right I'll put the

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.135
resolution all those in favor please

00:29:14.159 --> 00:29:17.159
raise your hand thank you it was

00:29:22.360 --> 00:29:25.176
carried we now move to 10 reports and

00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:27.816
acknowledgements

00:29:27.840 --> 00:29:29.895
and I've already been requested some

00:29:29.919 --> 00:29:32.816
extension of time i think there's a few

00:29:32.840 --> 00:29:35.336
statements or or speeches to be read out

00:29:35.360 --> 00:29:37.336
during this time so I have granted

00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:40.360
extension of time to council class and

00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.856
man and but we'll we'll watch the clock

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.880
still so thanks Councelor Claus thank

00:29:46.080 --> 00:29:47.576
you

00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:50.600
um last week I joined over 5,000 fellow

00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.336
Victorians on the steps of Parliament

00:29:52.360 --> 00:29:54.856
House in Melbourne it was one of the

00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.616
most powerful demonstrations I've ever

00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:58.775
witnessed not because of anger but

00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.015
because of unity there was farmers

00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:02.775
firefighters small business owners and

00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:04.856
concerned emergency

00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.856
 concerned community members from

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.096
across our state who came together with

00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:11.416
one clear message this emergency service

00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.440
tax is wrong and we won't stand for it

00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:18.056
the CFA helmet is not a political symbol

00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:20.775
but it's a representation of the service

00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.799
sacrifice and community spirit for years

00:30:23.919 --> 00:30:25.816
I've worn this helmet while fighting

00:30:25.840 --> 00:30:27.736
fires to protect our communities our

00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:30.056
farms our homes and our families like

00:30:30.080 --> 00:30:31.736
thousands of other volunteers across

00:30:31.760 --> 00:30:34.135
regional Victoria I've given my time

00:30:34.159 --> 00:30:36.616
freely because I believe in protecting

00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.416
what matters most our people and our way

00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.440
of life the the introduction of this

00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.176
emergency services tax is not just a

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.336
financial burden it's a mental health

00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:49.336
crisis waiting to happen in communities

00:30:49.360 --> 00:30:51.895
like Horsham our farmers are already

00:30:51.919 --> 00:30:53.416
struggling with drought market

00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:55.416
volatility and the constant pressures of

00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.576
feeding not just their livestock but

00:30:57.600 --> 00:31:00.600
their own families now now they're

00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.176
facing the an impossible choice pay this

00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.496
unfair tax or put food on the table and

00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:07.496
keep their operate or and keep their

00:31:07.520 --> 00:31:09.816
operations running i've spoken to

00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:12.535
farmers in our region who are region who

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.775
are losing sleep wondering how they'll

00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.416
manage another financial burden these

00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.336
are people who have weathered every

00:31:19.360 --> 00:31:21.416
storm nature has thrown at them but

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.176
they're breaking under the weight of a

00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.736
government imposed financial pressure

00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:28.760
the stress is real the anxiety is

00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.255
palable and for some the despair is

00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.816
overwhelming we cannot stand by and

00:31:33.840 --> 00:31:35.416
watch our neighbors suffer because of

00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.176
this government's inability to manage

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.176
their own

00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.696
finances mental health support services

00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.856
in regional areas are already stretched

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.880
thin we add financial stress and then we

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.296
add financial stress of this magnitude

00:31:48.320 --> 00:31:50.056
to families who are already doing it

00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:52.696
tough we are not just talking about

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.535
dollars and cents we are talking about

00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.255
lives relationships and the very fabric

00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:59.375
of our rural

00:31:59.399 --> 00:32:01.895
communities the diversity of that crowd

00:32:01.919 --> 00:32:04.919
told the real story these weren't just

00:32:05.120 --> 00:32:07.816
wealthy land holders complaining about

00:32:07.840 --> 00:32:10.135
attacks these were ordinary Victorians

00:32:10.159 --> 00:32:12.216
who understood what it means to work

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.775
hard to serve their communities and to

00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.736
make sacrifices for the greater good

00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:19.535
they were people who have given their

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.559
time their energy and their resources to

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.015
build stronger communities only to be

00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.416
treated as ATMs by a government that has

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.176
lost touch with regional

00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.200
Victoria this tax creates

00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.135
unconsionable choice for our farming

00:32:36.159 --> 00:32:38.056
families picture this a farmer is

00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:39.976
sitting at their kitchen table

00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.816
calculator in hand trying to work out

00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:43.976
their budget for the year ahead on one

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:45.576
side they have the cost of feed for

00:32:45.600 --> 00:32:47.655
their livestock animals that depend on

00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:50.679
them for survival on the other side they

00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:52.696
have the new emergency services tax

00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.176
demanded from a government that seems to

00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.696
have forgotten where their food comes

00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:58.696
from what happens when there isn't

00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.696
enough money for both do they let their

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.720
animals suffer do they risk their famil

00:33:03.760 --> 00:33:05.895
family's livelihood or do they simply

00:33:05.919 --> 00:33:08.616
give up farming altogether adding to the

00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.856
exodus of agricultural families from

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.856
regional

00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.880
communities this isn't theoretical it's

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.655
happening right now every dollar taken

00:33:17.679 --> 00:33:20.056
from our region in this tax is a dollar

00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:22.135
that can't be invested in local

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:24.816
communities it's a direct attack on the

00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:27.840
economy found um economy economic

00:33:28.320 --> 00:33:30.535
foundation of Victoria and it will have

00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.056
ripple effects through our entire

00:33:33.080 --> 00:33:36.080
economy perhaps the most insulting of

00:33:36.159 --> 00:33:39.159
all um of all is this tax targets the

00:33:41.840 --> 00:33:44.135
very people who volunteer their time to

00:33:44.159 --> 00:33:46.216
serve these communities many of us

00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.856
wearing CFO uniforms SCS vests or

00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.176
serving on local committees are the same

00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.200
people being asked to pay this tax we

00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:56.375
give our time freely because we believe

00:33:56.399 --> 00:33:58.375
in community service and now we are

00:33:58.399 --> 00:34:00.576
being financially penalized for that

00:34:00.600 --> 00:34:02.696
commitment this tax doesn't just

00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.456
threaten the financial stability of our

00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.535
volunteers it threatens the entire

00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.855
volunteer system that emergency services

00:34:08.879 --> 00:34:11.496
depend on when volunteers are struggling

00:34:11.520 --> 00:34:13.335
to pay their own bills because of a

00:34:13.359 --> 00:34:15.976
government tax how can we expect them to

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.696
continue giving their time to serve

00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:20.055
others the Allen government has shown

00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.615
its true priorities with this tax while

00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.296
they spend billions on Melbourne

00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.456
infrastructure projects they expect

00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.335
Regional Victoria to sacrifice even more

00:34:29.359 --> 00:34:32.135
this is not just poor policy it's a

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.815
betrayal of the people who keep this

00:34:33.839 --> 00:34:35.416
state running

00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.655
we grow the food we fight the fires we

00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.416
volunteer in the emergencies and we

00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.736
build the communities that make Victoria

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.815
strong yet when this government needs

00:34:43.839 --> 00:34:45.575
money to cover their mistakes they come

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.815
to us with the hands out and expecting

00:34:47.839 --> 00:34:50.839
us to pay for their incompetence today I

00:34:51.040 --> 00:34:52.696
call on this council to seriously

00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:54.216
consider how we can support our

00:34:54.240 --> 00:34:56.776
community by exploring our options we

00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.616
cannot expect our staff at Horse Mural

00:34:58.640 --> 00:35:00.296
City Council to become the state

00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.616
government's debt collectors our council

00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:04.616
employees should be focused on serving

00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:06.776
our community and not enforcing the

00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.800
Labor government's unfair tax grabs our

00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.055
communities communities deserve better

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.296
than to be treated as cash cows for a

00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.896
government that has lost control of its

00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.976
spending we deserve leaders who

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:19.536
understand the value of regional

00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:22.560
Victoria who support rather than export

00:35:23.040 --> 00:35:25.976
exploit the people who make our state

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.616
great the fight is not over together we

00:35:28.640 --> 00:35:30.055
will continue to stand up for what's

00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.776
right just as we do when we put our CFA

00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.335
helmets on just as we did on the steps

00:35:35.359 --> 00:35:37.575
of Parliament House and just as we do

00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.575
every day when we choose to serve our

00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:41.176
communities despite the challenges

00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:44.200
placed in our way

00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.335
thanks Council Claus i was a bit leading

00:35:57.359 --> 00:35:59.016
on time but it was good let you finish

00:35:59.040 --> 00:36:02.040
thank you thank you council man you're

00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.095
welcome i had planned to speak about a

00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:07.335
couple of local events that I'd attended

00:36:07.359 --> 00:36:10.055
recently run by volunteers of course and

00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:11.896
a special mention to the organizers of

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.976
the Twilight Years Expo and the Dan

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.000
Trivia Night however because of the

00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.016
level of concern I've seen and heard

00:36:19.040 --> 00:36:21.176
from people over the last month I've

00:36:21.200 --> 00:36:24.200
decided to change my plan many of those

00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.616
people are genuinely concerned about the

00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:28.856
impact of the emergency services and

00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.880
volunteers fund levy i am too

00:36:32.720 --> 00:36:34.296
i know that a lot of work is happening

00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.456
in the background one of the key motions

00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.616
this month by the Municiples Association

00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:41.256
of Victoria the group which represents

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:44.280
all 79 councils was to ensure that the

00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:48.520
levy is equitably structured and does

00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:51.095
not disproportionately burden rural

00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.696
communities or primary

00:36:53.720 --> 00:36:56.376
producers locally our own council

00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.856
continues to advocate and lobby for a

00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.880
fair outcome too and councelor Sluggett

00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:04.496
and Klowss were able to be part of the

00:37:04.520 --> 00:37:07.520
recent rally in Melbourne it's clear

00:37:07.680 --> 00:37:09.656
that this issue strikes at the heart of

00:37:09.680 --> 00:37:11.815
many communities and so that's where I'd

00:37:11.839 --> 00:37:12.656
like to

00:37:12.680 --> 00:37:15.680
begin rural communities or towns don't

00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.920
collapse overnight it starts small a

00:37:19.359 --> 00:37:22.216
family leaves a business shuts the footy

00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:25.095
club struggles and then one day the town

00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.119
feels a little quieter a little emptier

00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.976
and the community begins to

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.736
fray and now with the introduction of

00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.736
Victorian government's new emergency

00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.696
services and volunteer fund levy I worry

00:37:38.720 --> 00:37:40.536
that that's exactly how communities in

00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:42.856
Horcham rural city council could begin

00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.880
to unravel

00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.400
framed as a levy this is in reality a

00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.776
tax and one that will strip millions of

00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.376
dollars each year from the local

00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.896
economy's already stretched breaking

00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.920
point in a municipality like ours it

00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.856
will raise over $3 million this year and

00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.880
more every single year after that

00:38:07.520 --> 00:38:09.815
in cities like Melbourne or Bendigo that

00:38:09.839 --> 00:38:12.776
might go unnoticed but in smaller towns

00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.800
like Nadimach Brimine Jung Dazzlesbridge

00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.856
and even Horsham the impact is

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.656
immediate and personal it doesn't just

00:38:21.680 --> 00:38:24.456
touch the budget it touches classrooms

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.416
shop fronts sporting clubs and also our

00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.440
families friends and neighbors and the

00:38:30.680 --> 00:38:32.856
burden well it won't just fall on

00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.496
farmers or CFA volunteers although many

00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:38.016
of these people will be the hardest

00:38:38.040 --> 00:38:41.040
hit the tax touches every part of the

00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.256
community the pensioner deciding between

00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.656
groceries and heating the small business

00:38:45.680 --> 00:38:48.216
trying to survive or the young family

00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:50.936
questioning if they can hold on here or

00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.896
whether their future lies somewhere else

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.856
here's a truth when the government takes

00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.976
money from a small

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.896
community it doesn't end there it also

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.920
takes people it takes jobs and it takes

00:39:05.720 --> 00:39:08.296
services and it also takes the very

00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.496
spirit that holds us

00:39:10.520 --> 00:39:13.520
together this isn't just about economics

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:16.920
it's about survival and the slow steady

00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.976
unraveling of community life and that's

00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.176
a price too high to

00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:25.200
pay and yet somehow that's exactly what

00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.055
we're being forced to accept it is a

00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.079
ripple effect and if we want vibrant

00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.119
resilient communities tomorrow we cannot

00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:37.160
afford to strip them bare today

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.960
thanks Council M we'll jump across to

00:39:48.160 --> 00:39:50.936
Council Sluggett thank you

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:52.856
thank you  I didn't read those time

00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.616
before but I may also need a time

00:39:54.640 --> 00:39:57.640
extension please yeah Ross

00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.696
um I'd just like to start with a quick

00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:03.720
acknowledgement um a welcome to Gail and

00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.055
um thank you to everyone that was

00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:07.416
involved in our Horseshoe Mural City

00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.296
Talk sessions with the

00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.320
feedback um and also too for the morning

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.335
tea I enjoyed with  on IDA Hobbit day

00:40:15.359 --> 00:40:16.976
at the neighborhood

00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.976
house um and the trivia night at Duran

00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.656
Hall with my fellow counselors it was

00:40:21.680 --> 00:40:23.896
much fun

00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:25.575
during our horsesh and rural city talk

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.456
session

00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.480
um whilst I enjoyed it there was also an

00:40:30.720 --> 00:40:33.720
element of frustration that many of the

00:40:33.839 --> 00:40:35.976
items our community were asking for are

00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.216
not within our purview and are that of

00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:40.456
other levels of government many with

00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:43.176
which lay with state

00:40:43.200 --> 00:40:45.176
last Tuesday I joined thousands of other

00:40:45.200 --> 00:40:47.335
Victorians and councelor Klowss on the

00:40:47.359 --> 00:40:48.856
steps of Parliament as they protested

00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.936
the higher inequitable rates of the

00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:52.856
newly labeled emergency services and

00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.815
volunteers fund i did not wear my CFA

00:40:55.839 --> 00:40:58.536
gear it was a bit too yellow still it's

00:40:58.560 --> 00:41:01.560
the new stuff because but also because I

00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:04.136
wanted to make it clear it's not only

00:41:04.160 --> 00:41:05.976
CFA members who were hurt because of

00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.216
this state decision every person living

00:41:08.240 --> 00:41:10.936
in Victoria many already making choices

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.696
like struggling to decide between new

00:41:12.720 --> 00:41:14.696
school shoes or turning on the heater

00:41:14.720 --> 00:41:16.575
this winter will feel its

00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.496
impact i'd like to read a media release

00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:21.496
from Honorable Nick Stacos Minister of

00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:24.456
Consumer Affairs and Local Government it

00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.480
was made Monday the 23rd of December

00:41:27.560 --> 00:41:30.560
2024 council's rates cap to keep costs

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:33.800
low for Victorians council rate

00:41:33.839 --> 00:41:35.335
increases will again be capped at

00:41:35.359 --> 00:41:37.416
forecast consumer price index for next

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.335
year continuing the Ellen Labor

00:41:39.359 --> 00:41:41.176
government's drive for to reduce

00:41:41.200 --> 00:41:44.200
pressures on household budgets i'll skip

00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:46.936
down a little further this year's rate

00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:48.776
cap aims to ease cost of living

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.016
pressures for Victorian families while

00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:52.856
still allowing councils to continue

00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.256
providing these services to people in

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.696
the decade before the introduction of

00:41:56.720 --> 00:41:58.936
the Labor government's fair go rates

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.656
system in 2016 council rates were

00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:04.295
increasing by an average of 6% each year

00:42:04.319 --> 00:42:06.776
since the introduction of the cap the

00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.800
average rate cap between 2016 and 2020

00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.599
 2425 financial year is

00:42:14.839 --> 00:42:17.656
2.3% limiting steep successive increases

00:42:17.680 --> 00:42:20.680
for Victorian rate payers councils may

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.295
apply to the essential services

00:42:22.319 --> 00:42:24.776
commission for a higher cap if they can

00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.936
demonstrate a critical need for spending

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.095
on services or projects will require a

00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.136
higher rate above the capped

00:42:31.160 --> 00:42:34.160
amount quotes attributable to minister

00:42:34.640 --> 00:42:37.335
the local government Nick Stoos MP

00:42:37.359 --> 00:42:40.295
fairgo rates are there so families have

00:42:40.319 --> 00:42:42.936
certainty over their council rates and

00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:44.776
the next financial year the increase

00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.536
will again be in line with the inflation

00:42:46.560 --> 00:42:49.095
rate this rate cap will mean local

00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:50.696
councils are able to raise necessary

00:42:50.720 --> 00:42:53.016
revenue for the services they provide

00:42:53.040 --> 00:42:54.616
without adding to cost of living

00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:56.256
pressures on

00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.280
households it would appear fair go rates

00:42:59.359 --> 00:43:01.815
on your household only applies to the

00:43:01.839 --> 00:43:03.575
part the rates notice that stays here in

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.599
your community tuesday rally was not

00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:09.496
only about the rebrand and increased

00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:12.520
fire levy it was people most of whom

00:43:13.040 --> 00:43:15.335
live in regional Victoria who are at

00:43:15.359 --> 00:43:18.359
breaking point increases to input cost

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:20.295
legislation that seems hellbent on

00:43:20.319 --> 00:43:22.216
digging up our region for rare earth

00:43:22.240 --> 00:43:23.896
minerals or covering them in

00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:25.736
transmission lines and renewable energy

00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.536
sources and can ensure cities can keep

00:43:28.560 --> 00:43:31.016
increasing their electricity consumption

00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:32.856
businesses stretched to due to lack of

00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.616
staff which prevent them from increasing

00:43:34.640 --> 00:43:36.776
turnover and increased operating costs

00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:38.536
will once again have to try and find

00:43:38.560 --> 00:43:41.016
savings either through staff reduction

00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:43.896
or increases to their price of product

00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.896
commercial property owners will already

00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.896
be paying commercial and industrial

00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.136
property taxes will now be paying this

00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:53.095
land tax that's thinly disguised as levy

00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:54.776
while we're told there are benefits to

00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.936
our community it is hard to see that

00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.095
he's while we have state roads crumbling

00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.416
under our vehicles our health services

00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:03.496
centralizing due to lack of funding and

00:44:03.520 --> 00:44:05.575
staff and our family and friends are

00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.256
contemplating and in some cases

00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.280
committing suicide tuesday was a cry for

00:44:10.319 --> 00:44:12.536
help the regions coming together say

00:44:12.560 --> 00:44:15.560
enough we are simply unable to give more

00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:19.095
we are councilors as councilors are

00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.295
doing what we legally can to help our

00:44:21.319 --> 00:44:23.496
constituents all while knowing it's not

00:44:23.520 --> 00:44:25.896
enough i call on the state government to

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:28.136
visit the regions speak to those of us

00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:29.656
who live in the community and share the

00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:32.295
heartbreak and struggle your own media

00:44:32.319 --> 00:44:34.136
releases show that you know Victorians

00:44:34.160 --> 00:44:37.160
need a fair go give them one

00:44:44.560 --> 00:44:47.016
thanks councel councelor McMc Donald

00:44:47.040 --> 00:44:49.055
reports announcements thank

00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.079
you first like to um congratulate G for

00:44:53.359 --> 00:44:55.295
your appointment on your presence here

00:44:55.319 --> 00:44:57.536
tonight breath of fresh

00:44:57.560 --> 00:45:00.560
air thank you um congratulations my

00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:02.936
fellow councils for your presentations

00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.960
tonight um very heartfelt message and no

00:45:06.200 --> 00:45:08.856
doubt welcomed by the gallery and thank

00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.896
you to the gallery for turning up

00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.376
tonight showing some interest with um

00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.400
community support  and unity things

00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.599
get done so thank you for turning up

00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.119
um I would just like to acknowledge 

00:45:24.520 --> 00:45:27.095
the do community listing post that we

00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.119
had back on the 5th um last month um

00:45:32.640 --> 00:45:34.616
that was community engagement as it

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:36.456
should be and so congratulations to all

00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.176
involved um that was really well done

00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:42.200
and I think a lot was gained from that

00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.055
um I met with the Washington football

00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.079
net club and very interested to hear

00:45:47.359 --> 00:45:49.416
their predicament and the situation

00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:52.376
there so a lot came out of that

00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.400
 had a meeting at the pines with some

00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:56.416
fellow

00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.856
councilors and that really is a very

00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.095
complex issue and it was a great

00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:03.736
opportunity to also meet with Ranchie

00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.760
Gad and Land Council representatives um

00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:10.200
and just to listen um and we've got a

00:46:10.240 --> 00:46:12.936
lot of work to do in that area so that

00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.736
was a good starting

00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.760
point um beyond that it's been a very

00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.920
very busy month so thank you thanks

00:46:21.359 --> 00:46:22.256
Council

00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.280
Dolph councelor

00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.960
Wilson um I really don't have much more

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.256
to I concur with everything that my

00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.335
fellow counselors have said welcome to

00:46:33.359 --> 00:46:35.416
Gate thank you to the community for

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.136
showing their support or coming out in

00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:40.095
support or against the levy

00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:41.616
tonight

00:46:41.640 --> 00:46:44.295
um I have a list of things and I was

00:46:44.319 --> 00:46:46.856
very busy this month but I think the

00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:49.656
levy is more important than that thank

00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:52.680
you councelor Lachland

00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.920
um similar to  fellow councilors have

00:46:57.040 --> 00:47:00.040
said um yeah I echo the words  that

00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.055
they've said tonight and I won't 

00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.079
dwell on that anymore um yeah we were 

00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.800
fairly busy this month again um and I

00:47:10.560 --> 00:47:12.216
just wanted to mention  the work that

00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:14.295
Craig has done over the last 6 months it

00:47:14.319 --> 00:47:17.319
was  it was great to um  have him

00:47:17.680 --> 00:47:19.896
alongside of us as we usher in our new

00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.920
CEO so welcome Gail and um yeah I did

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:25.936
put in

00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.960
a I didn't get it in time i know um yeah

00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.496
but I also would like to

00:47:32.520 --> 00:47:35.256
um say and acknowledge that it's 

00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.976
reconciliation week starts next week 

00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.856
sorry  starts tomorrow  and sort of

00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.880
echoing the words  that  Mr mcMc Donald

00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:45.815
said too that we've  we've got a bit

00:47:45.839 --> 00:47:48.776
of work to do in that  department um

00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.656
and I think  the walk that we've got

00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:54.055
this Wednesday will be a a great 

00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:55.736
community event if everybody wants to

00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:58.696
get down to the YMCA go for a walk 

00:47:58.720 --> 00:48:01.016
down to the river and then  have a

00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:03.416
sausage sizzle which I'll be happy about

00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.440
um  after that so um I also wanted to

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.416
just say this is  off the cuff a bit

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.440
but  just to reassure um  our 

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.536
municipality and the people in it 

00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:19.416
that this council is working really hard

00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.440
 on your behalf but  I was really

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.776
taken aback by this month being a very

00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.856
stressful month for a lot of people on

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:29.575
the council that everybody just filled

00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.055
in the gaps along the way on the and 

00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.136
I mentioned it a few times this month

00:48:34.160 --> 00:48:36.136
that it was just a really great feeling

00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:38.696
 unity's been used a couple of times

00:48:38.720 --> 00:48:41.720
but there is real unity  in this 

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.055
council group and the way that um

00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:45.656
everybody just filled in the gaps when

00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:47.496
people were heading down the highway i

00:48:47.520 --> 00:48:50.520
know the Mayor's uber busy so  um and

00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:54.216
so I think that we're again just filling

00:48:54.240 --> 00:48:55.976
in the gaps and I just acknowledge all

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.936
the counselors here  and and staff

00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.496
that um everybody's working very hard to

00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:02.936
fill in all the gaps when people aren't

00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.535
here we're not always here on on the

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.936
ground but we're all over the place so

00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.960
um yeah well done to Williams

00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.176
thanks Councelor Lachlan i'll take my

00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:15.815
report as red um and once again I like

00:49:15.839 --> 00:49:18.295
to thank the team for when I can't make

00:49:18.319 --> 00:49:19.496
it they fill in a short notice quite

00:49:19.520 --> 00:49:20.936
often and I really appreciate it so

00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:22.736
thank you for

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.496
that and I'll just add this little bit

00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:27.335
it's our role as a council to I guess to

00:49:27.359 --> 00:49:29.095
be the advocate for our community to

00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.095
state government and it's on that basis

00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.575
that we need to really advocate hard and

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.256
I I might be a bit naive but I believe

00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.656
if we can advocate the reality of what's

00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:39.256
happening out here the state government

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:40.616
will change its mind because I don't

00:49:40.640 --> 00:49:43.016
think they understand  so it's our

00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:46.040
role to to push hard and long on your

00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:48.736
behalf

00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.256
um one of the concerns I do have is for

00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.976
example the fire services levy it's

00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.696
based on the CIV so when a culture land

00:49:56.720 --> 00:49:58.456
most of the value is in the dirt as in

00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.095
90% the fences and the sheds have a very

00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:02.856
low value compared to the value of the

00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.095
dirt and dirt doesn't burn so I think

00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.256
it's inequitable and unfair perhaps that

00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.976
we get a fairly high levy on a material

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:12.376
that is inflammable and doesn't burn and

00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:13.656
I think that needs to be really

00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:16.680
considered in the in the formula

00:50:17.520 --> 00:50:20.055
so we need to communicate clearly and

00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.079
strongly on your behalf thank you

00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.176
can someone please move that we receive

00:50:31.200 --> 00:50:34.200
the reports councelor Klowss moved

00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.119
seconded councelor Slugot all those in

00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.920
favor thank you

00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.815
passed item 11 on the agenda is urgent

00:50:45.839 --> 00:50:48.055
business there is nil urgent business 12

00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.079
petitions and joint leaders there is nil

00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.400
13 is procedural business and 13.1 is

00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:57.896
informal meetings of councilors purpose

00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:00.696
of the agenda item number 13.1 is to

00:51:00.720 --> 00:51:02.376
receive and note the informal meetings

00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.815
of councilors for council briefing

00:51:03.839 --> 00:51:06.839
meetings held on the 29th of April 5th

00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:09.856
12th and 13th of May

00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.880
2025 13.2 is sealing of documents there

00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.119
are no documents to be sealed 13.3

00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:18.896
inward correspondence there is no inward

00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.656
correspondence and 13.4 Four council

00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:24.055
committee minutes the purpose of agenda

00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.696
item 13.4 is to receive and note the

00:51:26.720 --> 00:51:28.575
following council committee

00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.496
minutes one's the economic sorry n

00:51:31.520 --> 00:51:33.656
economic and social plan project

00:51:33.680 --> 00:51:35.095
committee meeting held on the 14th of

00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.656
May

00:51:36.680 --> 00:51:39.496
2025 councilors do I have a motion to

00:51:39.520 --> 00:51:42.295
accept these procedural business please

00:51:42.319 --> 00:51:45.319
move councelor

00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.960
M  I'd like to recommend that

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.000
council receive and note the um

00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.400
following agenda items 13.1 Informal

00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.656
meetings of councilors a record of

00:52:00.680 --> 00:52:03.680
meetings 13.2 The sealing of

00:52:04.680 --> 00:52:07.680
documents 13.3 Inward

00:52:08.040 --> 00:52:11.040
correspondence and 13.4 Council

00:52:11.200 --> 00:52:13.976
Committee minutes

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.000
thank you a second please councelor

00:52:18.200 --> 00:52:20.856
Lachlan councelor Mundy wish to speak to

00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.216
a straightforward resolution so I'll put

00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:23.656
the straight to the vote all those in

00:52:23.680 --> 00:52:25.656
favor please raise your hand thank you

00:52:25.680 --> 00:52:28.680
it's

00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:34.295
carried there are no notices of motion

00:52:34.319 --> 00:52:37.319
on 14 nil so now we move to confidential

00:52:39.640 --> 00:52:41.976
matters there are confidential items on

00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:43.976
the agenda for consideration tonight so

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.416
I now ask members of the gallery to

00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.095
leave so the meeting can be moved into

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:48.776
confidential matters and I thank you for

00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:49.616
your

00:52:49.640 --> 00:52:52.376
attendance can someone now move that

00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:53.656
council meeting move to confidential

00:52:53.680 --> 00:52:56.680
matters please cl second council Sluggett

00:52:57.839 --> 00:52:59.136
all those in

00:52:59.160 --> 00:53:02.160
favor carried thank you